Is Changing An Electrical Outlet Against The Law

**Posted:** Mar Fri 11, 2022 4:24 am

I never seem to learn. My basic philosophy is, "just pay someone to practise information technology". The thing is, really elementary tasks come up up and I simply make up one's mind to practice it myself. Today is an instance. I could have paid someone $2 to come and swap out an outlet, merely no, I spent an hour or so doing it myself.

The outlet is 30 years former and the contacts aren't gripping the plugs securely. This is an issue because it's in a kitchen and virtually every small appliance here comes with the wrong kind of plug on it (Eu, UK, or CN instead of United states), and so every plug has the added weight of an adapter and they tin hands fall out.

I bought a replacement duplex outlet some fourth dimension ago and today the ability is out (the third time this calendar week, but this one was scheduled, and so I knew when it would be back on). So I removed the cover plate, pulled the outlet out from the box, and was impressed the wires were wrapped around both screws. Disconnected those.

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Then I opened the bundle with the replacement. Not a single duplex outlet, but rather 2 split up single outlets. I need to go a few inches of wire in lodge to connect them together, which I don't have, so I accept to go to the hardware store. At least the new outlet accepts both U.s. and EU style plugs, so that's good.

ttx450cap · **Posted:** Mar Fri xi, 2022 4:52 am

Alan Voorhees wrote:

So I removed the cover plate, pulled the outlet out from the box, and was impressed the wires were wrapped around both screws.

Impressed or not knowledge?

Alan Voorhees · **Posted:** Mar Fri 11, 2022 5:39 am

I had never seen it done that style earlier, nor have I ever seen instructions to do it like that.

Scott · **Posted:** Mar Friday 11, 2022 9:29 am

With stranded wire the blazon of receptacle terminal that clamps down on the wire is a better choice. With common screw only receptacles, twisting the strands CCW does help with the fraying every bit the screw is tightened. I don't call back that all receptacles are rated to take stranded wire. Possibly they did it that way to keep the wire from fraying as the screws were tightened?

tube42 · **Posted:** Mar Sat 12, 2022 1:51 am

Here in Chicago they would already exist trying to annihilate your house for even having the unsafe thought of doing any electrical work yourself.

As Scott said, y'all actually want to accept solid cadre wire for those button in type receptacles. Fifty-fifty better is to avert the push in types all together. If you must use the push button in type then I suggest yous make some pigtail connections with solid wire going into each of the push in sockets of the outlet. Make sure to pull on the wires after you lot seat them into the push in sockets so that the trivial flap that secures that wire into the hole bites into the copper a fiddling fleck ensuring a ameliorate connection.

tubes4life

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Jthorusen · **Posted:** Mar Sabbatum 12, 2022 4:22 am

tubes4life wrote:

Forget about the outlet, to me the near alarming role near this postal service was the bit about the power being out for 3x that week (so far), and that one of them was scheduled. Is the power filigree there held together with aluminum foil, electric record and a prayer?

But await! Coming soon to a city or town almost you!

Regards,

Mr. Detrola · **Posted:** Mar Sat 12, 2022 4:25 am

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Dennis

Experience is what you gain when the results aren't what you were expecting.

Alan Voorhees

Mr. Detrola wrote:

I would never consider using push in blazon outlets. Seen far likewise many of them neglect over the years, and non in a expert manner. The screw terminal type is best, and the commercial grade much better than the mutual ones they sell.

I didn't really accept a choice. There is merely one variation available in the hardware stores I looked in, and so I would have had to endeavor to post society one.

tubes4life wrote:

Forget most the outlet, to me the nigh alarming part about this mail service was the scrap about the ability being out for 3x that week (then far), and that one of them was scheduled. Is the power grid there held together with aluminum foil, electrical tape and a prayer?

In that location is no back-up in the system.
The get-go outage was a standoff with a pole; the second was "looking for the cause" (only never specified what it was); the third was actually two outages. 1 was scheduled for 9am to 5pm to relocate poles considering of a DPW project (local power visitor), then they added some other scheduled outage for sub-station work (national power grid work) from 6am to 2pm, and so xi hours in full.

But yeah, power outages are not uncommon at all hither.

Thewasp · **Posted:** Mar Saturday 12, 2022 1:41 pm

You had to expect for the power to be out? No breakers to shut off and change information technology when you wanted to?

Todd

Alan Voorhees · **Posted:** Mar Saturday 12, 2022 2:50 pm

In that location are breakers, but they're not really well marked, as well, power interruptions are so mutual that waiting wasn't a problem.

Dennis H.

Alan Voorhees wrote:

There are breakers, but they're not really well maked, besides, ability interruptions are so mutual that waiting wasn't a trouble.

When you said yous were doing this during a "planned power outage" I cringed. How do y'all know that they are truly going to keep the power off that long. What if they get finished early, or become started and have to quit early just as your are cranking down tight on the screws.

I don't think I would ever set wiring unless the breaker was off. When I can't find the right breaker I use the master and reset all the clocks when I'm finished.

tym

Dennis H. wrote:

Alan Voorhees wrote:

At that place are breakers, but they're not really well marked, besides, power interruptions are and then common that waiting wasn't a problem.

When you said you were doing this during a "planned power outage" I cringed. How do you know that they are truly going to proceed the power off that long. What if they become finished early, or become started and accept to quit early merely as your are cranking downwards tight on the screws.

I don't recall I would e'er fix wiring unless the breaker was off. When I can't find the correct breaker I use the master and reset all the clocks when I'm finished.

+1

Scott · **Posted:** Mar Saturday 12, 2022 7:00 pm

You guys need to toughen up. I have replaced receptacles many times while they were hot.

hardluck54 · **Posted:** Mar Sat 12, 2022 7:06 pm

Hey Scott
Non in the philippines you haven't! lol

John

Dennis H.

Scott wrote:

Y'all guys need to toughen upwards. I have replaced receptacles many times while they were hot.

That doesn't make information technology rubber.
Do you also piece of work on aa5 radios without isotrans?

tym

Dennis H. wrote:

Scott wrote:

You guys demand to toughen upwards. I take replaced receptacles many times while they were hot.

That doesn't brand it safe.
Practise you also piece of work on aa5 radios without isotrans?

Unnecessary gamble of death is more macho, correct?

jim rozen · **Posted:** Mar Sun thirteen, 2022 2:13 am

I typically test for voltage earlier working on firm wiring. Voltage tester = screwdriver.

Unmarried-use tester if the circuit is live.

tubes4life · **Posted:** Mar Sun 13, 2022 5:04 am

Dennis H. wrote:

Scott wrote:

You guys need to toughen upwardly. I have replaced receptacles many times while they were hot.

That doesn't make information technology safe.
Exercise you likewise piece of work on aa5 radios without isotrans?

I do. It's non a macho thing, I'one thousand not trying to "prove a point", it's merely using mutual sense---when the radio is plugged in, exercise non touch any metal. If someone is accidentally touching metal, that means they're being careless---ie; pay attention!

When I work on a alive radio, it's unremarkably for voltage checks. With the radio unplugged, I prune my negative meter lead to chassis or mutual, and when it'due south live, I'grand using one manus on a probe. I've been doing this for decades, never juiced myself yet

Retired Radio Human being

I worked with AA5 sets for over 50 years without a tingle. The only reason I accept an isolation transformer now is someone gave me one.

I've changed switches and outlets for years without shutting power off to the excursion. It's a affair of knowing what you're doing and existence conscientious.

RRM

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	Post discipline: Changing an electrical outlet Posted: Mar Fri 11, 2022 4:24 am
Site Admin Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 9794 Location: Baguio City, Philippines	I never seem to learn. My basic philosophy is, "just pay someone to practise information technology". The thing is, really elementary tasks come up up and I simply make up one's mind to practice it myself. Today is an instance. I could have paid someone $2 to come and swap out an outlet, merely no, I spent an hour or so doing it myself. The outlet is 30 years former and the contacts aren't gripping the plugs securely. This is an issue because it's in a kitchen and virtually every small appliance here comes with the wrong kind of plug on it (Eu, UK, or CN instead of United states), and so every plug has the added weight of an adapter and they tin hands fall out. I bought a replacement duplex outlet some fourth dimension ago and today the ability is out (the third time this calendar week, but this one was scheduled, and so I knew when it would be back on). So I removed the cover plate, pulled the outlet out from the box, and was impressed the wires were wrapped around both screws. Disconnected those. Attachment: IMG_20220311_101746.jpg [ 594.48 KiB \| Viewed 1088 times ] Attachment: IMG_20220311_102714.jpg [ 424.36 KiB \| Viewed 1088 times ] Then I opened the bundle with the replacement. Not a single duplex outlet, but rather 2 split up single outlets. I need to go a few inches of wire in lodge to connect them together, which I don't have, so I accept to go to the hardware store. At least the new outlet accepts both U.s. and EU style plugs, so that's good.
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Alan Voorhees	Post subject area: Re: Changing an electric outlet Posted: Mar Fri 11, 2022 5:39 am
Joined: January Thu 01, 1970 i:00 am Posts: 9794 Location: Baguio Urban center, Philippines	I had never seen it done that style earlier, nor have I ever seen instructions to do it like that.
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tubes4life	Postal service subject: Re: Changing an electrical outlet Posted: Mar Sat 12, 2022 4:fourteen am
Joined: Aug Tue 24, 2010 8:56 pm Posts: 6439 Location: Northeast Florida	Forget almost the outlet, to me the most alarming office about this post was the chip almost the power being out for 3x that week (so far), and that one of them was scheduled. Is the power grid there held together with aluminum foil, electrical record and a prayer? _________________ William
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Mr. Detrola	Post subject: Re: Changing an electric outlet Posted: Mar Sat 12, 2022 4:25 am
Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 i:00 am Posts: 28771 Location: Detroit, MI USA	I would never consider using push in blazon outlets. Seen far besides many of them fail over the years, and not in a good way. The screw concluding blazon is best, and the commercial form much meliorate than the common ones they sell. _________________ Dennis Experience is what you gain when the results aren't what you were expecting.
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Alan Voorhees	Post bailiwick: Re: Irresolute an electrical outlet Posted: Mar Saturday 12, 2022 6:xiii am
Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 9794 Location: Baguio City, Philippines	Mr. Detrola wrote: I would never consider using push in blazon outlets. Seen far likewise many of them neglect over the years, and non in a expert manner. The screw terminal type is best, and the commercial grade much better than the mutual ones they sell. I didn't really accept a choice. There is merely one variation available in the hardware stores I looked in, and so I would have had to endeavor to post society one. tubes4life wrote: Forget most the outlet, to me the nigh alarming part about this mail service was the scrap about the ability being out for 3x that week (then far), and that one of them was scheduled. Is the power grid there held together with aluminum foil, electrical tape and a prayer? In that location is no back-up in the system. The get-go outage was a standoff with a pole; the second was "looking for the cause" (only never specified what it was); the third was actually two outages. 1 was scheduled for 9am to 5pm to relocate poles considering of a DPW project (local power visitor), then they added some other scheduled outage for sub-station work (national power grid work) from 6am to 2pm, and so xi hours in full. But yeah, power outages are not uncommon at all hither.
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Alan Voorhees	Mail service field of study: Re: Irresolute an electrical outlet Posted: Mar Saturday 12, 2022 2:50 pm
Joined: Jan Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 9794 Location: Baguio City, Philippines	In that location are breakers, but they're not really well marked, as well, power interruptions are so mutual that waiting wasn't a problem.
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Dennis H.	Postal service bailiwick: Re: Changing an electric outlet Posted: Mar Sat 12, 2022 four:41 pm
Joined: Aug Mon 17, 2009 4:11 pm Posts: 4015 Location: DFW Texas	Alan Voorhees wrote: There are breakers, but they're not really well maked, besides, ability interruptions are so mutual that waiting wasn't a trouble. When you said yous were doing this during a "planned power outage" I cringed. How do y'all know that they are truly going to keep the power off that long. What if they get finished early, or become started and have to quit early just as your are cranking down tight on the screws. I don't think I would ever set wiring unless the breaker was off. When I can't find the right breaker I use the master and reset all the clocks when I'm finished. _________________ The lucky ones realize the "Skillful Ole Days" while they are yet in them! AA5LP
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tym	Postal service subject: Re: Changing an electric outlet Posted: Mar Sat 12, 2022 iv:44 pm
Joined: May Monday 25, 2020 7:37 pm Posts: 1258 Location: Greater Boston, MA	Dennis H. wrote: Alan Voorhees wrote: At that place are breakers, but they're not really well marked, besides, power interruptions are and then common that waiting wasn't a problem. When you said you were doing this during a "planned power outage" I cringed. How do you know that they are truly going to proceed the power off that long. What if they become finished early, or become started and accept to quit early merely as your are cranking downwards tight on the screws. I don't recall I would e'er fix wiring unless the breaker was off. When I can't find the correct breaker I use the master and reset all the clocks when I'm finished. +1
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hardluck54	Post subject: Re: Changing an electrical outlet Posted: Mar Sat 12, 2022 7:06 pm
Joined: January Thu 01, 1970 1:00 am Posts: 803 Location: Canton,Ohio.United States	Hey Scott Non in the philippines you haven't! lol John
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tym	Mail subject: Re: Changing an electrical outlet Posted: Mar Sun 13, 2022 ane:53 am
Joined: May Mon 25, 2020 seven:37 pm Posts: 1258 Location: Greater Boston, MA	Dennis H. wrote: Scott wrote: You guys demand to toughen upwards. I take replaced receptacles many times while they were hot. That doesn't brand it safe. Practise you also piece of work on aa5 radios without isotrans? Unnecessary gamble of death is more macho, correct?
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jim rozen	Mail subject: Re: Changing an electrical outlet Posted: Mar Sun thirteen, 2022 2:13 am
Joined: Mar Wed 16, 2011 10:44 pm Posts: 2221 Location: Peekskill, NY	I typically test for voltage earlier working on firm wiring. Voltage tester = screwdriver. Unmarried-use tester if the circuit is live.
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tubes4life	Post subject: Re: Irresolute an electric outlet Posted: Mar Sun 13, 2022 5:04 am
Joined: Aug Tue 24, 2010 eight:56 pm Posts: 6439 Location: Northeast Florida	Dennis H. wrote: Scott wrote: You guys need to toughen upwardly. I have replaced receptacles many times while they were hot. That doesn't make information technology safe. Exercise you likewise piece of work on aa5 radios without isotrans? I do. It's non a macho thing, I'one thousand not trying to "prove a point", it's merely using mutual sense---when the radio is plugged in, exercise non touch any metal. If someone is accidentally touching metal, that means they're being careless---ie; pay attention! When I work on a alive radio, it's unremarkably for voltage checks. With the radio unplugged, I prune my negative meter lead to chassis or mutual, and when it'due south live, I'grand using one manus on a probe. I've been doing this for decades, never juiced myself yet _________________ William
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Retired Radio Human being	Post subject: Re: Changing an electrical outlet Posted: Mar Sun 13, 2022 half dozen:47 am
Joined: Jun Sat 09, 2007 viii:14 am Posts: 5427 Location: Melbourne, Florida	I worked with AA5 sets for over 50 years without a tingle. The only reason I accept an isolation transformer now is someone gave me one. I've changed switches and outlets for years without shutting power off to the excursion. It's a affair of knowing what you're doing and existence conscientious. RRM Last edited past Retired Radio Human being on Mar Sun thirteen, 2022 4:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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